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25 July 2008 @ 03:56 pm
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Oh, another kitchen question!

How much counter space do we need beside the hob? We'll be putting it in the island unit, which can be maximum 1450mm wide, in order to leave space to get around it and the table. If we get a 60cm hob, we'll have 42.5cm either side, but if we go for an 80cm hob (allows us to use a wok without pushing the rice pot off its ring), we'll have 32.5cm each side. And if we reduce the island to 1200mm (to give more walking space), a 60 cm hob would allow only 30cm each side. Do those sound like enough?

I'm thinking of space for ingredients, some prep, and some serving. Major prep would be done on a different counter. There'll be a raised area behind the hob, so that can be used for plating a number of dinners, eg if having a dinner party. And the hob will be either ceramic or induction, therefore flat, therefore parts can be used as a work surface, so long as the rings are cold.

And under the hob we'd be storing pots and pans, utensils, some ingredients (eg herbs & spices). Anything I'm forgetting? Someone suggested putting the bin there, but I'm inclined to think it should be near a bigger counter. Opinions?
schmoomomschmoomom on July 25th, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
Take your biggest pot, pan, roaster, bowl, pot and serving platter. You want them all to fit next to the cooker. Think of Christmas. You'll need every little bit of space.

The bin should be near where your prep will be. And if you're good, you'll make a small hole in the countertop that feeds to the bin right below, that way you just sweep it all into the bin.

And, what I came up with too late for our house...get the foot pedals surgeons use at the sink. Put them in as an alternative to turn on the taps. Chickeny hands defeated!
a very caring potatomollydot on July 25th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
Good idea for checking space.

I originally planned to put the bins under the sink, but the kitchen guy says the segregated bins won't fit in that space. I need to decide exactly where the sink will be (planned location interferes with inward opening window), so I'll know where there's a good run of counter space to be the main prep area. I know where there'll be one good run, but there might be another closer to the hob/sink/fridge. However, I have storage plans for left of the sink (closest to table), than a bin could interfere with. Another reason to move the sink left rather than right.

We'll probably go for lever taps, like we have in the bathrooms - similar to this. You can use the back of your hand to move them.
schmoomomschmoomom on July 25th, 2008 07:02 pm (UTC)
Don't forget about the golden triangle...the fridge, sink and hob/oven should be no more than 2 steps from each other.

Segregated bins rock. We have 3: recycling (largest, since it takes all plastic, paper, metals), compost (next largest) and proper bin (smallest, since we have so little now). Ours is a pull out thingie, I think they have the same at Ikea now.
a very caring potato: flower powermollydot on July 25th, 2008 07:10 pm (UTC)
fridge sink and hob will be quite close, but we're taking the oven out of the triangle. We want a chest height oven, but we've lots of windows, so there's limited space it can go. Also, oven things don't tend to need as much attention as things on the hob, so I think it's ok that it be a bit further away.

Metal as well? Cool! We've only just discovered that we can put plastic bottles in our recycle bags. I don't know what the situation will be like when we move. At the moment, we don't compost and our recycling and other rubbish seem to be about the same size.
lizmopuddylizmopuddy on July 25th, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry I'm completely useless with measurements, I can't tell a foot, from a yard, from a metre.

However household tips I know. Do not put your bin anywhere near where you plan to have food or cooking utensils. Some stuff in bins really stink.

And if you haven't bought your kitchen tap set yet.....which you probably have, I would highly recommend those taps you see in the likes of ER, lever taps. If you have been gardening, or have grease on your hands, or anything you don't want to put on the taps these are great because you can flick them on with your arms and then wash your hands, I'm changing mine
a very caring potato: minifestomollydot on July 26th, 2008 12:04 am (UTC)
Hmm... I had wanted to put the bin under the sink, but kitchen guy says no. Plan I'm working on now has it between the corner carousel press (don't know what will go in that) and the dishwasher.

I was planning on getting lever rather than twisty taps, but wasn't thinking of such big levers. I was thinking more in terms of wrist operation than elbow operation. We've tested the bathroom taps for wrists. I'll see what's available. I'd love one of those pull out taps (depending on price). If it's not possible to get both pull out spray and big levers in the one tap, we could go for the big levers in the utility, so at least there'd be somewhere to go if you're filthy.

I'm crap with measurements too, but all this is helping!
unavunav on July 28th, 2008 11:23 am (UTC)
a 60 cm hob would allow only 30cm each side. Do those sound like enough?

Perhaps put the cooker to one side or the other, giving you 60cm of work space on one side? This would suit me better, but you might have different cooking ways.

I prefer more walking space, so that you don't feel squeezed when both of you are cooking.
a very caring potato: houseplansmollydot on July 28th, 2008 03:25 pm (UTC)
Perhaps put the cooker to one side or the other

That's an idea. Probably not the whole way to one side, as there'd be greater risk of spillage, but who says it has to be centred? Besides me :-) We talked to the kitchen guy at the weekend, and he was suggesting having it slightly off centre, but that was in order to have it directly over one of the base units. With a 1350mm wide base on the island, we've chosen to go for two 600mm units, and one 150mm pull out spice rack to one side - a non-symmetrical layout.

Maybe we could bring the width of the wider passageway, at the main work triangle, up to 1200mm (we haveit at 1100 now). I don't think it could go any further - we have plumbing and wiring coming up at a point. I've forgotten where it is exactly though. The narrower part has the oven and counter space, but doesn't have the hob, sink or fridge, so there's probably not so much need for space.

We have our proposed layout marked on the floor. I didn't think till now to test it out pretending there's two of us working. Doh!
unavunav on July 28th, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
On the other hand, it might be nice to have to squeeze up against each other when you pass by!
a very caring potato: couplemollydot on July 28th, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC)
Can't be having that sort of behaviour!
unavunav on July 29th, 2008 08:49 am (UTC)
Now I've given myself a Flight of the Concordes earworm.
a very caring potato: hitchhiker's wikimollydot on July 29th, 2008 09:38 am (UTC)
Not familiar with them. But after a quick peruse of wikipedia, I think I'd like to see some.