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28 April 2006 @ 08:56 pm
 
I didn't know bread was a conductor! I just got a shock from taking toast out of the toaster.
 
 
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SirRoysirroy on April 28th, 2006 08:18 pm (UTC)
Methinks you need a new plug, or a new toaster.
a very caring potato: confusedmollydot on April 28th, 2006 08:23 pm (UTC)
Or new shoes. I regularly get shocks from metal things, but from bread?!?!
davidg666 on April 29th, 2006 11:34 pm (UTC)
Fresh bread? Could be slightly damp and hence slightly conductive. You know the way fresh toast often leaves condensation on the plate upon which you put it.

Mind you, if the toaster's done toasting and is popped up, then even theoretical conductive bread shouldn't give you a shock at all. I'm suspicious of your toaster now. Is the toaster circuit protected by a 30mA RCD?
a very caring potato: angrymollydot on May 1st, 2006 12:38 am (UTC)
Yeah, could be the dampness. I hate when toast gets soggy from sitting in its own condensation. Grrr.

I have no idea if it's protected. Ooo, RCDs look pretty handy. From a quick skim of wikipedia, I would doubt it's protected. However, if I was charged and the shock was caused by the toast grounding me, the RCD wouldn't help. I've got shocks off various things - cars, the kitchen tap, a door handle in work, Lovely Man and his chair. In Iceland, I got a shock from touching a bit of metal inside the car when I wasn't touching the ground. I bloody hate them. I'm a jumpy enough person as it is - I don't need random objects setting me off.
davidg666 on May 2nd, 2006 08:27 am (UTC)
>I have no idea if it's protected. Ooo, RCDs look pretty handy.

If the house was wired in the last 20 years or so, every socket should be protected by a single 30mA RCD that covers all socket circuits in the house.

>However, if I was charged and the shock was caused by the toast grounding me, the RCD wouldn't help

Good point; I'd expect the toaster body to be grounded. Well did it feel like a static shock (momentary) or more, er, electrical than that: if you held the toast still in the one position or wiggled it a bit, could you continue to experience the shock?

>In Iceland, I got a shock from touching a bit of metal inside the car when I wasn't touching the ground

Cars (just to confuse the electrons) have their own internal concept of ground which is the metal body of the car, quite distinct from any actual ground which may be beneath the car. Cars...

>I don't need random objects setting me off.

What about deterministic objects setting you off? :)

[sorry, it's early on a (virtual) Monday morning and this is more fun than the ten kiltonnes of work I should be doing...]
a very caring potatomollydot on May 2nd, 2006 11:24 am (UTC)
If the house was wired in the last 20 years or so, every socket should be protected by a single 30mA RCD that covers all socket circuits in the house.

Oh right. Like I said, I jsut skimmed, so I got the impression bathrooms and high voltage things would be protected, but not others.

Don't know when the house was last wired. It's certainly older than 20 years, but is done up, so they may have redone wiring too.

did it feel like a static shock (momentary)
Sorry, I should have specified. A static shock.


I've been told a number of times that the shock when touching cars is because you're grounding it. Ha! I say.

What about deterministic objects setting you off? :)
Hmmm... not sure. Perhaps I prefer random objects after all.
davidg666 on May 2nd, 2006 12:40 pm (UTC)
I jsut skimmed, so I got the impression bathrooms and high voltage things would be protected, but not others.

A lot of the blurb out there is written from a US perspective, and our wiring rules are much stricter. Funnily, our mains voltage (230V) is classifed as 'low voltage'! But anyway, yea, bathrooms are protected by having all exposed metal objects bonded and grounded, and by not having anything electrical inside that you can touch unless it's specially protected. The 'merkins put an RCD on the sockets inside their bathrooms; we just put one on the entire house and keep sockets out of the bathrooms.

Had a bizarre conversation once with a 'merkin about how essential (or otherwise) sockets in bathrooms were; their primary argument was laced with grave concern about where on earth they could plug in their hairdryer without an outlet in the bathroom. Mine was more concerned with what might happen when you drop the hairdryer in the bath (or use it while sitting in the bath. eek!)

Perhaps I prefer random objects after all

Not having had lunch yet I can't come up with a suitable remark, but, em, that makes perfect sense to me :p
a very caring potatomollydot on May 2nd, 2006 05:08 pm (UTC)
Ah. Well, wikipedia would be merkin.

If an object bites me fairly regularly, I start to become nervous of it, so radom objects are probably better than nearly deterministic. :-)
davidg666 on May 3rd, 2006 09:31 am (UTC)
Ah. Well, wikipedia would be merkin.

It's probably 'merkin-dominated alright, but, damnit, this is the world and en.anything... is my language too! Must go hunting for the RCD entry on Wikipedia and put a euro slant on it...

Will keep an eye out for random objects with teeth, just to keep you on your toes :)
a very caring potato: crocmollydot on May 3rd, 2006 10:17 am (UTC)
Like this one?
davidg666 on May 3rd, 2006 12:21 pm (UTC)
That's a random object alright, but,er, what is it, and does it have teeth?

Makes me wonder: do you get alarmed by dice?
a very caring potatomollydot on May 3rd, 2006 12:23 pm (UTC)
It's a crocodile! Of course it has teeth.


Noooo... don't think so.

I need to get a couple of dice. I have a copy of the Diceman and I want the dice to tell me what to do with it.
davidg666 on May 3rd, 2006 03:27 pm (UTC)
It's a crocodile! Of course it has teeth.

Aaaah. It's a part of a crocodile, with its mouth closed :p — what I saw was a black-robed and veiled woman in some indeterminate setting. Hmm, a random image, you might say. Alarming!
a very caring potato: crocmollydot on May 3rd, 2006 03:39 pm (UTC)
Ah! I see the woman now.

It's mouth is actually partly open. It's jumping up to get the meat dangling beside it (top left). I would link to a better picture, but flickr appears to be misbehaving. Look at my photos tagged Australia.
a very caring potato: crocmollydot on May 3rd, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)
Working(ish) now. Here's a bigger pic - http://flickr.com/photos/mollydot/22817763/
davidg666 on May 3rd, 2006 09:05 pm (UTC)
Ah! I see the crocodile now.

Especially with the context and seeing the better image. The teeth weren't especially apparent in the small image, and the bit of meat I could have imagined was a bird flying past in the background or a tree in the distance that just, er, happens to be suspended in mid air :)