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11 April 2006 @ 12:27 pm
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On Thursday May 4th, at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00 am, the time and date will be:

01:02:03 04/05/06
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m_nivalism_nivalis on April 11th, 2006 12:39 pm (UTC)
So, how are you going to celebrate this occasion? Personally, I think I'll sleep through it (yes, I'm a heathen) as I have to take the airport bus at four, but do include me in your toasting/posting if you feel like it. :-)
a very caring potato: hurray!mollydot on April 11th, 2006 01:11 pm (UTC)
Well, so far, I've managed to forget about all interesting dates & times as they happened, so I reckon I'll do the same again :-)

How about a bit of advance firework iconery?
Tanyacartographer on April 11th, 2006 01:09 pm (UTC)
Lovely! Stealing this :-)
a very caring potato: angelmollydot on April 11th, 2006 01:12 pm (UTC)
Mine! Give it back!

</share mode="off">
a very caring potato: legomollydot on April 11th, 2006 01:13 pm (UTC)
Yes, davig666, I know that's not valid xml.
davidg666 on April 11th, 2006 02:12 pm (UTC)
Gesnorten! It was a valid closing tag for an XML element. But that's not what my pedantic friend here (he's called George. Say hi to George!) came to say. He wanted to say:

On Thursday May 4th, at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00 am, the time and date will be:

a very caring potato: confusedmollydot on April 11th, 2006 02:19 pm (UTC)
davidg666: eh? an attribute in a closing tag?

George: eh? What happened the year?
davidg666 on April 11th, 2006 03:14 pm (UTC)
Good point; you could have written '<share mode="off"/>' to make an XML element with no content. Then an attribute would have been valid. <g/>

George says ISO 8601 lets you drop leading elements if they can be implied from context, but you must still leave in the punctuation, so '2006-05-04' is the fourth day of May in the year 2006, '-05-04' is the fourth day of May in any year or one implied (from context) and '--04' is the fourth day of any month, any year, or a year and/or month implied from context. So tomorrow is trimultaneously 2006-04-12, -04-12 and --12. Eek, that means it's also somebody's birthday.

(there's also lots of obscure stuff in ISO 8601 for week numbers and stuff like that, but the great thing about it is that it's totally culture-neutral and totally unambiguous. And it's legally valid just about everywhere, even the USA. I usually use that form when writing the date on cheques and official forms of any kind, and none has ever been returned.)
a very caring potato: legomollydot on April 11th, 2006 03:21 pm (UTC)
Oh look, a pendant. I'll hug him and squeeze him and call him George.

I couldn't do an empty element - I'd lose the sense that I was in non-sharing mode when I wrote the previous sentence. And I can't do an open tag above, cos that would just be weird.

But if you leave out the year, you lose both a number in the sequence and the once in a lifetime aspect. I think we're stumped with the year - it doesn't look to me like you can say 06 instead of 2006. I think we've missed 07060504T030201 by quite a while, unfortunately.
davidg666 on April 11th, 2006 04:37 pm (UTC)
<dangle/> <dangle/> :)

How many of your readers accept your curious syntax for sharing mode changing?

I agree, leaving out the year only makes sense within context, but it's allowed for that kind of situation.

We haven't missed 2007-06-05T04:03:02Z yet, mind you. Two digit years, well...

[actually, some of the people on the ISO 8601 mailing lists (I hear these exist...) who have even less of a life than the rest of them periodically go "but what happens after year 9999?". We'll worry about that then. Maybe in 9998...] [2038 will be a bigger problem, methinks]
a very caring potatomollydot on April 11th, 2006 04:59 pm (UTC)
Well, I don't think I've ever seen </share mode="off"> before, but I've seen </rant> quite a bit. And I think gothwalk has used the dangling close tabs with attributes before.
davidg666 on April 11th, 2006 05:43 pm (UTC)
Funny, I probably wouldn't have waded in (on the XML side) if you hadn't provoked me :)

Suitably geeky types usually use <rant> elements correctly. Mind you, now you've fingered gothwalk maybe I'll grind my other axe. Although you're one of very few people who tolerate my, er, pendantery. (all this dangling makes me dizzey sometimes...)
a very caring potatomollydot on April 11th, 2006 06:42 pm (UTC)
I've seen rant elements all right, but I've also seen closing rant tags without opening ones. I take that to mean "I didn't mean to start ranting, but I did and now I'm stopping", whereas, when you use the opening tag too, you know that you've started ranting.

My end share=off tag mean "I'm stopping being selfish now". But I wasn't marking when I started being selfish (I keep wanting to type shellfish).
davidg666 on April 12th, 2006 10:43 am (UTC)
Yea, only some people know (or care) about opening and closing some things correctly - including elements, parentheses, doors, gates and toilet seats :) I think many <rant>ers just use the angle brackets (not seabirds!) almost for emphasis. Only those with a geek (geeks are good, btw) tendency realise they're actually writing some kind of proto-XML.

BTW, I took your original tag to mean "I'm stopping sharing now; entering shellfish mode"

(aside: I bet you have a proclivity for spoonerisms too!)
a very caring potato: angelmollydot on April 11th, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC)
I like good natured pedantry.

And just to screw with your mind:

davidg666 on April 12th, 2006 10:46 am (UTC)
Oh dear; you got there ahead of me! Having said that, some background process in my mind just has to close all those parentheses:


[aside: what do you edit your posts and comments with? My fingers get tired sometimes when they have to type ampersand-lt-semicolon-elementname-slash-ampersand-gt-semicolon a lot]
a very caring potato: iProcrastinatemollydot on April 12th, 2006 11:09 am (UTC)
Just the web interface. My fingers appear to be used to it. It does get confusing when I'm typing &lt;something&gt; though.

Found someone using / without the seabirds: http://syndicated.livejournal.com/dictionary_wotd/326500.html?thread=4085092#t4085092
davidg666 on April 12th, 2006 12:43 pm (UTC)
Yea, sometimes I wish the LJ editor/post-processor would auto convert every character into the appropriate HTML entity. I guess it gets a little confused between allowing some HTML and not, so it's easier to leave anything within angle brackets unescaped.

BTW, the seabirds are guillemots — one glyph that looks like double angle-brackets.

I think maybe people who use MUDs and so on are maybe more likely to use / sortof-tags. I've seen "/me goes 'eek!'". Reminds me of a MUD/MOO years ago where you could go ":walks away" (I think; it might have been ":me") and other players would see "Thepersonsusername walks away"
a very caring potato: boobiesmollydot on April 12th, 2006 01:08 pm (UTC)
Er... without half seabirds.
Tanyacartographer on April 11th, 2006 01:16 pm (UTC)
Haha, too late. *runs away waving the interesting post*
a very caring potato: angrymollydot on April 11th, 2006 01:37 pm (UTC)
*fumes in impotent rage*